Intel vs. AMD - the topic ... the poll
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Nu , cel putin in prima faza.
Ideea este ca putine aplicatii scaleaza bine la 4 threaduri si in plus fiind dual core se va descurca excelent in multithreading.
Ideea insa nu este deloc moarta , pana in 2010 Intel a promis procesoare cu 4/8 threaduri/core.
Ideea este ca putine aplicatii scaleaza bine la 4 threaduri si in plus fiind dual core se va descurca excelent in multithreading.
Ideea insa nu este deloc moarta , pana in 2010 Intel a promis procesoare cu 4/8 threaduri/core.
Intel = abbreviation for Intelligence
Oxford Dictionary of English
Oxford Dictionary of English
"Intel releases Mother-Of-All-FUD doc" sau..... cum sa vinzi produse mai putin performante dezinformand potentialii clienti. 
"The document has five sections, 1) Platform Architecture Comparison 2) Intel's Dual-Core Advantage, 3) Platform and Ecosystem Advantage 4) Mainstream Competitive Matrix and 5) Conclusions.
The first part, Platform Architecture is embarrassing, it starts out with Intel having a larger cache, and then goes on to point out in big yellow balloons that AMD has 2.5X more cache misses, but it conveniently leaves out latency. The huge win it quotes is SPECint_base2000, where Intel wins with a whopping score of 1713 to 1629. Now if you go to an independent source like Ace's Hardware, you see that Intel gets its ass kicked in an unfriendly way, and if you use peak scores, it gets worse. 0:1, advantage AMD.
The next three pages go on to tout how much of an advantage an external memory controller is, and how AMD is 'chained' to the older memory technologies. This one is true, AMD is locked to DDR for a bit longer, but until recently, this was a decided plus. Either way, it only quote bandwidths, never latency. Very selectively picked illustrations, but some are right, advantage neither.
The second section, Intel's Dual-Core Advantage is where it gets laughable. It starts out with a classic listing of its own code names as 'good' and since its competitors don't have the same names, they must be bad. Call me crazy, but I'll take an SLI chipset with Nv Raid over a single slot Intel with Matrix Storage any day, thank you. The one that I will dock Intel the most points for is that it claims that a GMA 950 based (i945G) integrated graphics chip is better than 'limited support 3rd party support' on the AMD side. Oh yeah, it wants you to believe it will run modern games too. Hands up anyone who thinks ATI and NV graphics are inferior to the Intel GPU machine. Advantage AMD here, 0:2 total so far.
The next one goes on to show how an FX-60 using Intel's own Intel Digital Home Capability Assesment Tool fails three of the four Intel designed tests, while strangely the i955 does real well. I won't dignify this one with an explanation, but I did just replace my i840XE gaming box with an FX-60 earlier this week.
Intel goes on to show how an 920 CPU with a i945G chipset handily trounces both a 520/i915G and a 631/i945, but there is no AMD listed there. Anyone guess why? Then on to listing 'smoothness' when working on Intel, and a performance advantage to boot, naturally on everything. The pinnacle of all this is a five per cent win when running Razor Lame and Norton AV and Trillian and Firefox and iTunes and Acrobat and Excel while importing a 355MB Outlook file. Sounds like my average workload, how about you. Bad Intel, no cookie.
Part three goes on to show the Intel 'Platform Ecosystem Advantage', and this is the one place where Intel is better for the most part. It features the aforementioned Matrix Storage, XD bit and iAMT. The Intel equivalents are more broadly supported, have you ever seen anything supporting AMD's ASF 2.0? How about its standard image platform? Intel closes the gap here 1:2, but cheapens it with unnecessary potshots.
P22 is all about Viiv versus AMD Live! but since Live! is more or less a slide presentation right now, not much can be said here. Oh wait, Viiv is a slide presentation still too, along with a bunch of logos, and to top it off, Live! has no DRM infection, and does not cut Linux out of the market, so far anyway. Another tie.
One of the most egregious slides is the socket comparison, and it quoted the INQUIRER on this one. It somehow tries to show that the 754, 939 and 940 sockets are a problem and confuse the market. In the same time however, Intel has had 423/478/479/480/775/603/604/771 and probably others I am forgetting. Toss in that most chipsets are not compatible with all CPUs that physically fit in Intel sockets, and the advantage is clearly AMD here. 1:3.
Part Four is all about comparing CPUs. This puts Intel and AMD CPUs head to head on SYSmark 2004 SE and PCMark 05. From this it concludes that a 2.8GHz PD (French slang for nonce mind you) ties an X2 3800 in one and beats it in the other test. It gets funnier though, the not-on-the-roadmaps 805 @ 2.66GHz does not have a counterpart on SYSmark, but 'beats' an X2 3800 in PCMark. If you buy this one for a second, I have a bridge to sell you. The retail market tell a story that directly contradicts this page. 1:4 AMD.
The last part, Conclusions, ties this happy little world together. Intel wins everything, is better in every way and has no weaknesses. Sad, and Intel should not stoop to this level. One look at the retail segment shows why Intel has to resort to low blows, but really should be ashamed at sinking this low. "
Link:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30000
"The document has five sections, 1) Platform Architecture Comparison 2) Intel's Dual-Core Advantage, 3) Platform and Ecosystem Advantage 4) Mainstream Competitive Matrix and 5) Conclusions.
The first part, Platform Architecture is embarrassing, it starts out with Intel having a larger cache, and then goes on to point out in big yellow balloons that AMD has 2.5X more cache misses, but it conveniently leaves out latency. The huge win it quotes is SPECint_base2000, where Intel wins with a whopping score of 1713 to 1629. Now if you go to an independent source like Ace's Hardware, you see that Intel gets its ass kicked in an unfriendly way, and if you use peak scores, it gets worse. 0:1, advantage AMD.
The next three pages go on to tout how much of an advantage an external memory controller is, and how AMD is 'chained' to the older memory technologies. This one is true, AMD is locked to DDR for a bit longer, but until recently, this was a decided plus. Either way, it only quote bandwidths, never latency. Very selectively picked illustrations, but some are right, advantage neither.
The second section, Intel's Dual-Core Advantage is where it gets laughable. It starts out with a classic listing of its own code names as 'good' and since its competitors don't have the same names, they must be bad. Call me crazy, but I'll take an SLI chipset with Nv Raid over a single slot Intel with Matrix Storage any day, thank you. The one that I will dock Intel the most points for is that it claims that a GMA 950 based (i945G) integrated graphics chip is better than 'limited support 3rd party support' on the AMD side. Oh yeah, it wants you to believe it will run modern games too. Hands up anyone who thinks ATI and NV graphics are inferior to the Intel GPU machine. Advantage AMD here, 0:2 total so far.
The next one goes on to show how an FX-60 using Intel's own Intel Digital Home Capability Assesment Tool fails three of the four Intel designed tests, while strangely the i955 does real well. I won't dignify this one with an explanation, but I did just replace my i840XE gaming box with an FX-60 earlier this week.
Intel goes on to show how an 920 CPU with a i945G chipset handily trounces both a 520/i915G and a 631/i945, but there is no AMD listed there. Anyone guess why? Then on to listing 'smoothness' when working on Intel, and a performance advantage to boot, naturally on everything. The pinnacle of all this is a five per cent win when running Razor Lame and Norton AV and Trillian and Firefox and iTunes and Acrobat and Excel while importing a 355MB Outlook file. Sounds like my average workload, how about you. Bad Intel, no cookie.
Part three goes on to show the Intel 'Platform Ecosystem Advantage', and this is the one place where Intel is better for the most part. It features the aforementioned Matrix Storage, XD bit and iAMT. The Intel equivalents are more broadly supported, have you ever seen anything supporting AMD's ASF 2.0? How about its standard image platform? Intel closes the gap here 1:2, but cheapens it with unnecessary potshots.
P22 is all about Viiv versus AMD Live! but since Live! is more or less a slide presentation right now, not much can be said here. Oh wait, Viiv is a slide presentation still too, along with a bunch of logos, and to top it off, Live! has no DRM infection, and does not cut Linux out of the market, so far anyway. Another tie.
One of the most egregious slides is the socket comparison, and it quoted the INQUIRER on this one. It somehow tries to show that the 754, 939 and 940 sockets are a problem and confuse the market. In the same time however, Intel has had 423/478/479/480/775/603/604/771 and probably others I am forgetting. Toss in that most chipsets are not compatible with all CPUs that physically fit in Intel sockets, and the advantage is clearly AMD here. 1:3.
Part Four is all about comparing CPUs. This puts Intel and AMD CPUs head to head on SYSmark 2004 SE and PCMark 05. From this it concludes that a 2.8GHz PD (French slang for nonce mind you) ties an X2 3800 in one and beats it in the other test. It gets funnier though, the not-on-the-roadmaps 805 @ 2.66GHz does not have a counterpart on SYSmark, but 'beats' an X2 3800 in PCMark. If you buy this one for a second, I have a bridge to sell you. The retail market tell a story that directly contradicts this page. 1:4 AMD.
The last part, Conclusions, ties this happy little world together. Intel wins everything, is better in every way and has no weaknesses. Sad, and Intel should not stoop to this level. One look at the retail segment shows why Intel has to resort to low blows, but really should be ashamed at sinking this low. "
Link:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30000
Only the mediocre work at their best...
Damn ... atat mai am de spus: Intel a luat-o cu toata gura ...
Aici vorbim de servere care contin intre 1000 si 5000 de CPU-uri, este vorba despre acele servere mamuth, si sunt peste 200.000 de asemenea servere, intradevar o lovitura de maestru a celor de la AMD, care oricum de ceva vreme se pupa cu google, iar ca suport vor marsa pe Linux ... Yup, se pune de o revolutie
Advanced Micro Devices este producatorul de procesoare cu numarul doi in top, in urma celor de la Intel, dar in ultimele patru luni a reusit sa-si asigure mai mult de 20% din piata, pentru prima data in mai mult de patru ani.
SursaGoogle anunta trecerea la AMD wrote: Google isi schimba configuratia serverelor pentru a rula pe baza cipurilor de la Advanced Micro Devices, in locul acelora produse de Intel, potrivit unui anunt facut de Morgan Stanley.
Google, care detine mai mult de 200.000 de servere, a inceput sa cumpere tot mai multe procesoare Opteron de la Advanced Micro Devices, afirma analistul Mark Edelstone de la Morgan Stanley.
Totodata, acesta a marit estimarea castigurilor pentru compania AMD, care a 'impuscat' astfel o afacere extrem de importanta.
"Cele mai multe dintre achizitiile pe termen scurt pentru serverele Google vor folosi procesoare AMD Opteron pentru prima data", afirma Edelstone.
Google "va ajuta AMD sa se bucure de o crestere semnificativa si secventiala in afacerea lor cu servere in primul sfert al anului".
Adaugand Google in panoplia de clienti, Advanced Micro va reusi cu siguranta sa depaseasca estimarile analistilor in acest sfert de an.
Aceasta schimbare a venit ca o bomba pentru Paul Otellini, CEO al Intel, care, printre altele, face parte si din consiliul director al Google.
Aici vorbim de servere care contin intre 1000 si 5000 de CPU-uri, este vorba despre acele servere mamuth, si sunt peste 200.000 de asemenea servere, intradevar o lovitura de maestru a celor de la AMD, care oricum de ceva vreme se pupa cu google, iar ca suport vor marsa pe Linux ... Yup, se pune de o revolutie
Advanced Micro Devices este producatorul de procesoare cu numarul doi in top, in urma celor de la Intel, dar in ultimele patru luni a reusit sa-si asigure mai mult de 20% din piata, pentru prima data in mai mult de patru ani.
Din postul lui 2hacku si de pe Inquirer am abservat ca Intel deja recurg la mijloace murdare in privinta competitiei. Ma rog, seamana ceva cu acuzele aduse nVidia de catre ATI cu platitul unor forumisti celebri pentru a influenta parerea maselor. Numai ca acolo situatia e mult mai echilibrata. Exemplu: testul de Crossfire din revista, unde la Intel, Crossfire-ul dadea un nr de frame-uri mai mic decat un singur X1900. Iar la AMD situatia era exact invers. Deja, cu toata frecventa lor (si aici AMD se apropie de egalare) si cu cache-ul urias, Intel nu mai poate tine pasul.
Alt exemplu: FX-60 vs Intel 955 EE.
Alt exemplu: FX-60 vs Intel 955 EE.
De prin 2000 am avut 7 procesoare:
k6-2 300mhz
celeron 500mhz
pentium III 1000 mhz
Athlon Xp 1700+
Sempron 2800+
Sempron 2400+
Venice S754 3000+.
Cele mai mari probleme le-am avut cu k6-2 300mhz si nu din cauza procesorului ci a platformei.
In rest nici la Intel si nici la AMD nu am mai avut probleme, asa ca nu subscriu la ideea lipsei de stabilitate pe AMD sau Intel.
In privinta sigurantei la montare, in ceea ce priveste AMD pe sk.A este adevarat ca solicita un pic atentia (nu am ciobit nici un proc cu toate ca le demontam si de 5-6 ori pe zi - cand am lucrat la punti), insa cu A64 nici o problema.
In perioada 2000-2003 as fi mers pe Intel daca as fi avut bani, insa acum merg pe AMD.
Momentan singurii bani pe care ii pot investi in hard
sunt ceea ce ramane din bursa, asa ca nu imi permit sa schimb radical platforma decat o data la 1.5-2 ani, in rest mai adaug cate un surub ici si colo asa ca sa nu zic ca nu am mai pus si eu ceva in comp.
Cand am luat A64![[smilie=Victory.gif]](./images/smilies/Victory.gif "Victory")
m-am gandit ca ce rost ar avea, in conditiile de mai sus, sa bag banii intr-un proc intel pe 32biti cand o sa apara (sper) Vista anul acesta si odata cu el si programele? In plus, A64 este cel putin la fel de performant ca Pentium IV. Sa fim seriosi cine se joaca si in acelasi timp face compresie? - asta fiind marele "atu" Intel.
Imi pare rau ca Microsoft este in cardasie cu Intel.
k6-2 300mhz
celeron 500mhz
pentium III 1000 mhz
Athlon Xp 1700+
Sempron 2800+
Sempron 2400+
Venice S754 3000+.
Cele mai mari probleme le-am avut cu k6-2 300mhz si nu din cauza procesorului ci a platformei.
In rest nici la Intel si nici la AMD nu am mai avut probleme, asa ca nu subscriu la ideea lipsei de stabilitate pe AMD sau Intel.
In privinta sigurantei la montare, in ceea ce priveste AMD pe sk.A este adevarat ca solicita un pic atentia (nu am ciobit nici un proc cu toate ca le demontam si de 5-6 ori pe zi - cand am lucrat la punti), insa cu A64 nici o problema.
In perioada 2000-2003 as fi mers pe Intel daca as fi avut bani, insa acum merg pe AMD.
Momentan singurii bani pe care ii pot investi in hard
sunt ceea ce ramane din bursa, asa ca nu imi permit sa schimb radical platforma decat o data la 1.5-2 ani, in rest mai adaug cate un surub ici si colo asa ca sa nu zic ca nu am mai pus si eu ceva in comp.Cand am luat A64
m-am gandit ca ce rost ar avea, in conditiile de mai sus, sa bag banii intr-un proc intel pe 32biti cand o sa apara (sper) Vista anul acesta si odata cu el si programele? In plus, A64 este cel putin la fel de performant ca Pentium IV. Sa fim seriosi cine se joaca si in acelasi timp face compresie? - asta fiind marele "atu" Intel.Imi pare rau ca Microsoft este in cardasie cu Intel.
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Damn ce frumos invartim realitatea ca sa o facem pe masura fantaziilor nostre...ice01 wrote:Damn ... atat mai am de spus: Intel a luat-o cu toata gura ...SursaGoogle anunta trecerea la AMD wrote: Google isi schimba configuratia serverelor pentru a rula pe baza cipurilor de la Advanced Micro Devices, in locul acelora produse de Intel, potrivit unui anunt facut de Morgan Stanley.
Google, care detine mai mult de 200.000 de servere, a inceput sa cumpere tot mai multe procesoare Opteron de la Advanced Micro Devices, afirma analistul Mark Edelstone de la Morgan Stanley.
Totodata, acesta a marit estimarea castigurilor pentru compania AMD, care a 'impuscat' astfel o afacere extrem de importanta.
"Cele mai multe dintre achizitiile pe termen scurt pentru serverele Google vor folosi procesoare AMD Opteron pentru prima data", afirma Edelstone.
Google "va ajuta AMD sa se bucure de o crestere semnificativa si secventiala in afacerea lor cu servere in primul sfert al anului".
Adaugand Google in panoplia de clienti, Advanced Micro va reusi cu siguranta sa depaseasca estimarile analistilor in acest sfert de an.
Aceasta schimbare a venit ca o bomba pentru Paul Otellini, CEO al Intel, care, printre altele, face parte si din consiliul director al Google.
Aici vorbim de servere care contin intre 1000 si 5000 de CPU-uri, este vorba despre acele servere mamuth, si sunt peste 200.000 de asemenea servere, intradevar o lovitura de maestru a celor de la AMD, care oricum de ceva vreme se pupa cu google, iar ca suport vor marsa pe Linux ... Yup, se pune de o revolutie
Advanced Micro Devices este producatorul de procesoare cu numarul doi in top, in urma celor de la Intel, dar in ultimele patru luni a reusit sa-si asigure mai mult de 20% din piata, pentru prima data in mai mult de patru ani.
Google a anuntat ca va cumpara si servere cu procesoare AMD in viitor.Nu renunta deloc la Intel , ci vor cumpara si AMD.
Iar serverele vechi sunt 99% Intel...si nu vor fi aruncate nu te teme....ele reprezinta Google.
In al doilea rand vb prostii ca de obicei cu serverele mamut.....Google foloseste clustere , nu sisteme mari SMP/single image...
Merg la scoala , iau un linux si imi fac in 30min si eu un cluster de 100 PCuri....de la asta si pana la un server precum IBM P550/575/590 , HP Superdome , SUN FIRE E2500 , Fujitsu Primepower/Primequest este cale cat de la pamant la soare...
Apropo , scorurile Conroe/Woodcrest nu te-au facut sa te ingrijorezi un pic ?
Intel = abbreviation for Intelligence
Oxford Dictionary of English
Oxford Dictionary of English
=D>phradamon wrote:Din postul lui 2hacku si de pe Inquirer am abservat ca Intel deja recurg la mijloace murdare in privinta competitiei. Ma rog, seamana ceva cu acuzele aduse nVidia de catre ATI cu platitul unor forumisti celebri pentru a influenta parerea maselor. Numai ca acolo situatia e mult mai echilibrata. Exemplu: testul de Crossfire din revista, unde la Intel, Crossfire-ul dadea un nr de frame-uri mai mic decat un singur X1900. Iar la AMD situatia era exact invers. Deja, cu toata frecventa lor (si aici AMD se apropie de egalare) si cu cache-ul urias, Intel nu mai poate tine pasul. Alt exemplu: FX-60 vs Intel 955 EE.
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Cand eu o sa fiu pe plaja cu picioarele in apa , un uragan categoria 5+ va lovi AMDville....Si nu va fi frumos deloc...Dar pana atunci asteptam Montecito...restul nu prezinta nici un interes...
Intel = abbreviation for Intelligence
Oxford Dictionary of English
Oxford Dictionary of English
La fel cum am comentat documentele privind testele interne de la Apple la SUN la IBM la NVIDIA ...etc...2hacku wrote:Savantule, esti putin prea increzator.
P.S.: Cum comentezi acele documente de la Intel?
Sunt teste relevante dar "alese" si pot sa nu reprezinte lumea reala foarte corect.Sunt PR si subiective.End of story.
Ca fapt divers , cum comentezi ca un P4 640 3.2GHz bate un Athlon FX57 in Call of Duty 2 cu patch SMP aplicat ?
Intel = abbreviation for Intelligence
Oxford Dictionary of English
Oxford Dictionary of English
Nu e vorba numai de teste. E vorba si de niste afirmatii referitoare la arhitectura/tehnologii, afirmatii incomplete menite sa induca in eroare clientul. Este exact ceea ce detest eu cel mai mult.savantu wrote:Sunt teste relevante dar "alese" si pot sa nu reprezinte lumea reala foarte corect.Sunt PR si subiective.End of story.
Mi se pare normal sa maximizezi capacitatile unei arhitecturi. Nu vad nimic rau in asta, ba din contra.savantu wrote:Ca fapt divers , cum comentezi ca un P4 640 3.2GHz bate un Athlon FX57 in Call of Duty 2 cu patch SMP aplicat ?
Only the mediocre work at their best...
Tot mai sustii acest lucru ? =D>phradamon wrote:Din postul lui 2hacku si de pe Inquirer am abservat ca Intel deja recurg la mijloace murdare in privinta competitiei. Ma rog, seamana ceva cu acuzele aduse nVidia de catre ATI cu platitul unor forumisti celebri pentru a influenta parerea maselor. Numai ca acolo situatia e mult mai echilibrata. Exemplu: testul de Crossfire din revista, unde la Intel, Crossfire-ul dadea un nr de frame-uri mai mic decat un singur X1900. Iar la AMD situatia era exact invers. Deja, cu toata frecventa lor (si aici AMD se apropie de egalare) si cu cache-ul urias, Intel nu mai poate tine pasul.
Alt exemplu: FX-60 vs Intel 955 EE.
Intel = abbreviation for Intelligence
Oxford Dictionary of English
Oxford Dictionary of English
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Intel announced today that it created its first microchip using the 45 nanometer manufacturing process that it says will go into its processors in the second half of 2007. Intel said that this development provides it with a 'considerable lead over our competitors in the 45-nanometer generation'.
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Jos palaria... Concurenta nu poate face decat bine...savantu wrote:Tot mai sustii acest lucru ? =D>phradamon wrote:Din postul lui 2hacku si de pe Inquirer am abservat ca Intel deja recurg la mijloace murdare in privinta competitiei. Ma rog, seamana ceva cu acuzele aduse nVidia de catre ATI cu platitul unor forumisti celebri pentru a influenta parerea maselor. Numai ca acolo situatia e mult mai echilibrata. Exemplu: testul de Crossfire din revista, unde la Intel, Crossfire-ul dadea un nr de frame-uri mai mic decat un singur X1900. Iar la AMD situatia era exact invers. Deja, cu toata frecventa lor (si aici AMD se apropie de egalare) si cu cache-ul urias, Intel nu mai poate tine pasul.
Alt exemplu: FX-60 vs Intel 955 EE.
Sa vedem K9 acum...
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Corporatia Intel a anuntat marti ca va introduce anul acesta procesoare noi mai puternice pentru desktop-uri, laptopuri si servere. Cel mai mare fabricant de cipuri de computere din lume incearca astfel s-o ia inaintea castigurilor inregistrate in ultimul timp de rivalul sau mai mic, AMD. Intel, companie cu sediul in Santa Clara, California, domina intr-adevar piata globala a procesoarelor pentru computer, dar a pierdut procentaje din piata, in fata celor de la Advanced Micro Devices Inc.. Anuntarea noilor cipuri adauga un pic de lumina produselor Intel si ridica in ochii clientilor imaginea companiei, dupa ce saptamana trecuta investitorii au primit o veste proasta: veniturile din acest prim sfert de an vor cadea simtitor, total contrar cu previziunile. Noile procesoare reprezinta “o imbunatatire uriasa in performanta si in putere”, a spus Pat Gelsinger, vicepresedinte la Digital Enterprise Group din cadrul Intel, la o conferinta de presa din San Francisco. "Mai ales in aplicatiile pentru clienti, silentiozitatea si factorul de forma devin mult mai importante”. Cipurile dual-core – cu motoare de procesare per cip – se vor baza pe un design numit microarhitectura Core, adoptand numele Core de la noua linia de procesoare PC a lui Intel lansata in ianuarie si care a inlocuit cipurile Pentium ale lui Intel. Microarhitectura Core combina eficienta energiei cu trasaturi cum ar fi accesul si sharing-ul mai rapid de date, virtualizare si computing la 64 de biti, care fac ca datele sa circule de doua ori mai repede decat in sistemele obisnuite de 32 de biti. Cipurile, cunoscute deocamdata numai sub numele de cod, vor aparea pentru prima oara in laptopuri si abia apoi in desktop-uri si servere, pana la sfarsitul anului. Procesorul de laptop va avea o crestere de 20% a perforamntelor, folosind acelasi curent, iar versiunea desktop va ajunge la o imbunatatire a performantei cu 40%, in timp ce va folosi cu 40% mai putin curent. Serverul isi va mari puterea cu 80 de procente, chiar daca va folosi cu 35% mai putin curent, a anuntat Justin Rattner, Chief Technology Officer in cadrul companiei. Cipurile dual-core ar trebui sa aduca iarasi Intel in fata AMD, ale carui procesoare furnizeaza in momentul de fata mai multa putere pentru energia consumata, a spus David Wu, analist de semiconductoare la Global Crown Capital. “Miliardele de dolari pe care le-a cheltuit Intel pe cercetare si dezvoltare arata acum ceva rezultate. Vor fi mai buni ca AMD in a doua jumatate a anului, in ceea ce priveste performanta per watt”, crede Wu. AMD, companie cu sediul in Sunnyvale, California, a inceput sa castige procente in fata celor de la Intel mai ales in sectorul de servere si de computere desktop. AMD planuieste sa introduca pe piata un processor dual-core de 64 de biti pentru laptopuri in al doilea sfert al anului, inaintea celor de la Intel. “In oricare comparatie fata-in-fata, noi castigam”, a spus Teresa de Onis, unul din managerii de produse pe sectorul desktop, Microprocessor Solutions Group AMD. "Dual core-ul nostru l-a depasit in performante pe al lor timp de aproape un an”.Surse: http://www.latimes.com/
Intel Itanium chieftain defects to AMD
"THE DIRECTOR of Itanium circuits and technology, Sam Naffziger, has been poached by AMD to work on alternative server designs.
According to Real World Tech, Naffziger, who also is an Intel "Fellow", was the brains behind dual core Itanium chip Montecito. He fled the Intel coop to join AMD at the beginning of this month and what's worse is setting up camp at Fort Collins, where Intel's Itanium design centre is located.
Intel borged the Fort Collins centre from HP. "
Sursa: The Inquirer
Link:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30591
"THE DIRECTOR of Itanium circuits and technology, Sam Naffziger, has been poached by AMD to work on alternative server designs.
According to Real World Tech, Naffziger, who also is an Intel "Fellow", was the brains behind dual core Itanium chip Montecito. He fled the Intel coop to join AMD at the beginning of this month and what's worse is setting up camp at Fort Collins, where Intel's Itanium design centre is located.
Intel borged the Fort Collins centre from HP. "
Sursa: The Inquirer
Link:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30591
Only the mediocre work at their best...
Mai frate @2hacku, te rog frumos, baga pe romaneste ca sa intelegem si cei mai putin pregatiti, in domeniul asta. Uite , eu sant inginer electronist, si n-am inteles mare lucru din cee ce ai postat. Te rog sa ma scuzi daca am fost prea incisiv.2hacku wrote: Intel Itanium chieftain defects to AMD
"THE DIRECTOR of Itanium circuits and technology, Sam Naffziger, has been poached by AMD to work on alternative server designs.
According to Real World Tech, Naffziger, who also is an Intel "Fellow", was the brains behind dual core Itanium chip Montecito. He fled the Intel coop to join AMD at the beginning of this month and what's worse is setting up camp at Fort Collins, where Intel's Itanium design centre is located.
Intel borged the Fort Collins centre from HP. "
Sursa: The Inquirer
Link:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30591
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S-a descurcat bine AMD si fara aceasta "minte luminata"2hacku wrote:Nu e nici o problema.
Pe scurt: "parintele" lui Montecito a trecut din barca Intel in barca celor de la AMD. Parerea mea este ca AMD a castigat "o minte luminata".
. Nu vad ce imbunatatiri ar aparea . Probabil cei de la INTEL o sa aduca acum inovatii mai bune . Aceasta "minte luminata" ii tragea in jos .1. Alpha-100, DT 18-70mm F/3.5-5.6; DT 75-300mm F/3.5-5.6 ; Tamron SP AF90mm F/2.8; Manfrotto 190XPROB; RC322
2. Nikon D300, Nikon Nikkor 50mm f 1.4, AF-S DX VR Zoom-Nikkor 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED , Tokina ATXProDX 12-24mm F/4.
3. Sony DSC -H5
2. Nikon D300, Nikon Nikkor 50mm f 1.4, AF-S DX VR Zoom-Nikkor 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED , Tokina ATXProDX 12-24mm F/4.
3. Sony DSC -H5
Intrebare (ca sa-l inflamez un pic pe Savantu): cum poate un Intel 2.8 sa bata un X2 3800? In orice.
S-am pardon, dar a XP-ul meu (oc la 3200+) i-o cam da in buba la Intelul ala la 2.8 (ce sa mai vorbim de 2.6; la single core ma refer, ca la asta am priceput ca se referea articolul).
S-am pardon, dar a XP-ul meu (oc la 3200+) i-o cam da in buba la Intelul ala la 2.8 (ce sa mai vorbim de 2.6; la single core ma refer, ca la asta am priceput ca se referea articolul).
Intelligent conversation requires at least two intelligent people.
Cu grija...HerrMess wrote:Intrebare (ca sa-l inflamez un pic pe Savantu): cum poate un Intel 2.8 sa bata un X2 3800? In orice.
S-am pardon, dar a XP-ul meu (oc la 3200+) i-o cam da in buba la Intelul ala la 2.8 (ce sa mai vorbim de 2.6; la single core ma refer, ca la asta am priceput ca se referea articolul).
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Darth Vader wrote:S-a descurcat bine AMD si fara aceasta "minte luminata"2hacku wrote:Nu e nici o problema.
Pe scurt: "parintele" lui Montecito a trecut din barca Intel in barca celor de la AMD. Parerea mea este ca AMD a castigat "o minte luminata".
S-au descurcat bine cei de la AMD si pana acum. Dar e mereu loc de mai bine, si un "cap ingineresc" in plus nu strica, mai ales ca nu e un cap oarecare.
Only the mediocre work at their best...
Mda...tipul ala stie ceva : Foxton ...desi au dat-o in bara urat de tot cu Montecito in mod sigur el stie si rezolvarea , astfel sa nu mai repete aceleasi greseli de 2 ori.Si o astfel de experienta este nepretuita.
Oricum , el a plecat se pare de buna voie de la Intel , nemultumit de faptul ca managementul superior au intervenit si au luat masuri drastice in organizarea la Fort Collins. ( Sam si cei de acolo erau ingineri HP , transferati la Intel in iarna 2004 )
Oricum , el a plecat se pare de buna voie de la Intel , nemultumit de faptul ca managementul superior au intervenit si au luat masuri drastice in organizarea la Fort Collins. ( Sam si cei de acolo erau ingineri HP , transferati la Intel in iarna 2004 )
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Incepe distractia : Merom functioneaza perfect in laptopurile pentru Yonah si Conroe se poate OC usor pe aer.
La 2GHz Merom scoate 25s in Super PI 1M iar fata de un laptop cu Turion 64 2GHz este mai rapid de 3x in Sandra CPU si 5x in Multimedia.
Vrea cineva sa estimeze cat de rapid va fi un Conroe XE la 3.33GHz/1333 FSB ??
http://www.xtremesystems.com/modules.ph ... =0&thold=0
http://www.xtremesystems.com/modules.ph ... =0&thold=0
La 2GHz Merom scoate 25s in Super PI 1M iar fata de un laptop cu Turion 64 2GHz este mai rapid de 3x in Sandra CPU si 5x in Multimedia.
Vrea cineva sa estimeze cat de rapid va fi un Conroe XE la 3.33GHz/1333 FSB ??
http://www.xtremesystems.com/modules.ph ... =0&thold=0
http://www.xtremesystems.com/modules.ph ... =0&thold=0
Intel = abbreviation for Intelligence
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Ma bag si eu acum ca musca-n lapte si va spun ceva: stiti ce ar fi frumos? sa nu mai iasa Vista, sa nu se mai foloseasca nici un sistem de operare pe 64 biti si procurile cu tehnologia asta sa nu foloseasca la nimic, ca doar tehnologia avanseaza si sa se ajunga ca acesti "64 biti" sa fie doar marketing!!! (stiu ca acest lucru nu se va intampla dar de dragul discutiei am dat si eu cu bata-n balta)!
P.S. pardon daca v-am ofensat cu ceva!
P.S. pardon daca v-am ofensat cu ceva!
Cauta lumina, te va scuti de durere!
savantule, este egala cu ZERO statistica aia pusa de tine cu X procuri produse de intel vs Y produse de AMD.
Ca sa fac o paralela compara nr de Renault-uri clio (sa zicem) cu nr de Rolls Royce-uri produse intr-un an. Dupa logia ta rezulta ca Renault Clio este mai buna decat Rolls Royce, nu?
Era si un proverb "Lucrurile valoroase vin in pachete mici" sau "Ce-i mult strica"
Iar faptul ca lumea cumpara mai multe procuri Intel decat AMD este oarecum logica. Intel avea procurile cele mai bune de cand a aparut pina la aparita seriei K7. Cum extrem de multa lume este plan paralele cu IT-ul si cand vor sa afle ce calculator ai intreaba "ce pentium ai?", atunci este normal ca acum sa ia Intel din inertie; fiind si mai scump at isi imagineaza ca este si mai bun. Iar Intel stie asta si profita cat de mult poate.
dacă AMD pastreaza directia pe care o are si produce in continuare procesoare la fel de competitive ca pina acum, at eu zic ca peste 10-15 ani lucrurile n-or sa mai stea la fel ca acum, si majoritatea lumii o sa stie ce este aia AMD.
Cazul nu este singular. A se vedea "xeroxul" si "adidasii".
EDIT: LOOL, am dat reply cu referire la ceva dp pagia 1. Sorry, nu am observat pe ce pagina eram.
Ca sa fac o paralela compara nr de Renault-uri clio (sa zicem) cu nr de Rolls Royce-uri produse intr-un an. Dupa logia ta rezulta ca Renault Clio este mai buna decat Rolls Royce, nu?
Era si un proverb "Lucrurile valoroase vin in pachete mici" sau "Ce-i mult strica"
Iar faptul ca lumea cumpara mai multe procuri Intel decat AMD este oarecum logica. Intel avea procurile cele mai bune de cand a aparut pina la aparita seriei K7. Cum extrem de multa lume este plan paralele cu IT-ul si cand vor sa afle ce calculator ai intreaba "ce pentium ai?", atunci este normal ca acum sa ia Intel din inertie; fiind si mai scump at isi imagineaza ca este si mai bun. Iar Intel stie asta si profita cat de mult poate.
dacă AMD pastreaza directia pe care o are si produce in continuare procesoare la fel de competitive ca pina acum, at eu zic ca peste 10-15 ani lucrurile n-or sa mai stea la fel ca acum, si majoritatea lumii o sa stie ce este aia AMD.
Cazul nu este singular. A se vedea "xeroxul" si "adidasii".
EDIT: LOOL, am dat reply cu referire la ceva dp pagia 1. Sorry, nu am observat pe ce pagina eram.
Don't steal. The government hates competition.
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Ca fapt divers , Craig Barret , presedintele Intel CO a ajuns pe plaiurile noastre mioritice pentru a incheia un acord de colaborare strategica cu Guvernul RO.
Pentru interviu go here :
http://adevarulonline.ro/index.jsp?sect ... tle=180135
Pentru interviu go here :
http://adevarulonline.ro/index.jsp?sect ... tle=180135
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Fanii AMD ar trebui sa citeasca
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1601
Athlon 64 FX-62 AM2 $1,236
Athlon 64 X2 5000+ AM2 $696
Athlon 64 X2 4800+ AM2 $645
Athlon 64 X2 4600+ AM2 $558
Athlon 64 X2 4400+ AM2 $469
Athlon 64 X2 4200+ AM2 $365
Athlon 64 X2 4000+ AM2 $328
Athlon 64 X2 3800+ AM2 $303
Athlon 64 3800+ AM2 $290
Athlon 64 3500+ AM2 $208
Sempron 3600+ AM2 $123
Sempron 3500+ AM2 $109
Sempron 3400+ AM2 $97
Sempron 3000+ AM2 $77
Sempron 2800+ AM2 $67
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1601
Athlon 64 FX-62 AM2 $1,236
Athlon 64 X2 5000+ AM2 $696
Athlon 64 X2 4800+ AM2 $645
Athlon 64 X2 4600+ AM2 $558
Athlon 64 X2 4400+ AM2 $469
Athlon 64 X2 4200+ AM2 $365
Athlon 64 X2 4000+ AM2 $328
Athlon 64 X2 3800+ AM2 $303
Athlon 64 3800+ AM2 $290
Athlon 64 3500+ AM2 $208
Sempron 3600+ AM2 $123
Sempron 3500+ AM2 $109
Sempron 3400+ AM2 $97
Sempron 3000+ AM2 $77
Sempron 2800+ AM2 $67
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Am comparat noile preturi AM2 cu cele existente pe piata in Romania si sunt mai ieftine,adevarat preturile sunt recomandate si cu siguranta vor fi mai scumpe.Problema este urmatoarea:zvonurile care circula in mediile IT spun ca pentru a avea cu adevarat performanta,noua platforma are nevoie de DDR2 la 800 mhz.Am incercat o medie a preturilor acestor memorii si momentan 1GB costa 170-180 dolari.Asta nu este o veste buna...
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Surpriza AMDAMD is expected to see its microprocessors roll off the fabrication line at Chartered Semiconductor's 300mm facility, Fab7 in June 2006, according to a report from Forbes.Originally when the foundry deal was made official last year, Hector Ruiz, AMD's Chairman, stated that production of its microprocessors at Fab7 would begin late in 2006 and would be on a qualified compatible 65nm process.
At the opening of AMD's first 300mm facility (Fab 36) in Dresden, Germany late last year Ruiz remarked that production at Chartered would be brought forward due to the demand for its 64bit MPU's but declined to be more specific.
According to the Forbes report, Chartered expects to be able to ramp Fab7 to 18,000wspm (wafer starts per month) by the end of 2006, doubling its current monthly output.
Fab7 has so far been fabricating the microprocessor for Microsoft's Xbox360 under a foundry contract with IBM, the chip designer and a fabrication partner for Microsoft.
However, Chartered said in its last quarterly financial statements that wafer starts at Fab7 would be down slightly from the 10,000wspm figure achieved in the 4Q05 period. This was interpreted by some analysts as a fall-off in demand for the new Xbox as many expected Chartered to continue ramping in the 1Q06 period.
Now Fab7 looks set to return to ramping though the end of year figure given suggests that the ramp rate of 1,000wspm will not be as fast for AMD compared to the IBM/Microsoft ramp in the second half of 2005, which averaged about 1,450wspm.
Fab7 has an estimated capacity of 30,000wspm.
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3. Sony DSC -H5
2. Nikon D300, Nikon Nikkor 50mm f 1.4, AF-S DX VR Zoom-Nikkor 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED , Tokina ATXProDX 12-24mm F/4.
3. Sony DSC -H5
Intel este cica foarte nemultumit de Microsoft si o sa le traga o clapa urata...
Motive : x84-64 , Itanium suport , Xbox 2
Microsoft spumega la faptul ca Intel sprijina Linux mai mult ca niciodata , ex sponsorizeaza masiv Red Hat si Gelato...
http://news.com.com/Red+Hat%2C+Intel+pl ... 57535.html
Daca se va intampla ce scrie The Inq , Intel sa convinga Apple sa livreze OS X individual pentru PCuri , ganditi-va ce s-ar intampla daca Dell/HP/IBM vor oferi OS-X pe sistemele si serverele lor ?
http://theinquirer.net/?article=30818
Motive : x84-64 , Itanium suport , Xbox 2
Microsoft spumega la faptul ca Intel sprijina Linux mai mult ca niciodata , ex sponsorizeaza masiv Red Hat si Gelato...
http://news.com.com/Red+Hat%2C+Intel+pl ... 57535.html
Daca se va intampla ce scrie The Inq , Intel sa convinga Apple sa livreze OS X individual pentru PCuri , ganditi-va ce s-ar intampla daca Dell/HP/IBM vor oferi OS-X pe sistemele si serverele lor ?
http://theinquirer.net/?article=30818
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Darth Vader
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O fi INTEL Chipzilla dar Microsoft is Godzillasavantu wrote:Intel este cica foarte nemultumit de Microsoft si o sa le traga o clapa urata...
Motive : x84-64 , Itanium suport , Xbox 2
Microsoft spumega la faptul ca Intel sprijina Linux mai mult ca niciodata , ex sponsorizeaza masiv Red Hat si Gelato...
http://news.com.com/Red+Hat%2C+Intel+pl ... 57535.html
Daca se va intampla ce scrie The Inq , Intel sa convinga Apple sa livreze OS X individual pentru PCuri , ganditi-va ce s-ar intampla daca Dell/HP/IBM vor oferi OS-X pe sistemele si serverele lor ?
http://theinquirer.net/?article=30818
. Microsoft vs. everyone. Nothing new . Same sh*t different day. 
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3. Sony DSC -H5
2. Nikon D300, Nikon Nikkor 50mm f 1.4, AF-S DX VR Zoom-Nikkor 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED , Tokina ATXProDX 12-24mm F/4.
3. Sony DSC -H5
Heh..subestimezi Intel.Gandeste-te ce lipseste firmelor de Linux : bani si ingineri pregatiti ( cu entuziasti nu faci mare branza ).
Intel are peste 10000 de programatori si mai angajeaza cateva mii in India.Asta este mai mult decat toate firmele de Linux la un loc.Iar la bani , trebuie doar sa te uiti daca firmele Linux au cifra de afaceri combinata cat profitul Intel pe un trimestru.
Intel contribuie pentru Windows cu o groaza de chestii si face acelasi lucru si pentru Linux , in special driveri , compilatoare , librarii si programe de debugging care sunt cel mai greu de facut.
Faza faina ii ca pentru Linux , Intel colaboreaza masiv cu IBM ( fan Linux declarat ) , HP , etc.
Cat despre OS X , Apple nu are nevoie de prezentare.Cum este perceput OS X fata de Windows ?
Ca fapt divers Intel India are 600 de programatori care lucreaza nonstop pentru Apple si OS X , portarea aplicatiilor , software tools , driveri si imbunatatirea nucleului ( OS X are nucleu BSD UNIX ) . Acesta a fost un argument decisiv in decizia Apple de a trece la Intel.
Intel are peste 10000 de programatori si mai angajeaza cateva mii in India.Asta este mai mult decat toate firmele de Linux la un loc.Iar la bani , trebuie doar sa te uiti daca firmele Linux au cifra de afaceri combinata cat profitul Intel pe un trimestru.
Intel contribuie pentru Windows cu o groaza de chestii si face acelasi lucru si pentru Linux , in special driveri , compilatoare , librarii si programe de debugging care sunt cel mai greu de facut.
Faza faina ii ca pentru Linux , Intel colaboreaza masiv cu IBM ( fan Linux declarat ) , HP , etc.
Cat despre OS X , Apple nu are nevoie de prezentare.Cum este perceput OS X fata de Windows ?
Ca fapt divers Intel India are 600 de programatori care lucreaza nonstop pentru Apple si OS X , portarea aplicatiilor , software tools , driveri si imbunatatirea nucleului ( OS X are nucleu BSD UNIX ) . Acesta a fost un argument decisiv in decizia Apple de a trece la Intel.
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http://voodoopc.blogspot.com/2006/04/am ... -baby.html
Ceva interesant pentru cei care au timp sa ceteasca...
Ceva interesant pentru cei care au timp sa ceteasca...
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Darth Vader
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http://voodoopc.blogspot.com/2006/04/am ... -baby.html
Ceva interesant pentru cei care au timp sa ceteasca..
Cifrele conteaza nu povestile cu zâne si cu zmei.I have been closely following AMD's stock moves for a while (have bought and sold both companies from time to time as well), and while I share the belief in AMD's ultimate product performance success, there are some worrysome concerns with assuming great existing/announced product is the "only" thing necessary to overcome Intel - AMD must maintain their product edge if they are to survive and prosper. However..
Intel has some very serious strengths:
-Six times the sales of AMD
-Ten times the profit margin
-Eleven times the EBITDA
-Ten times the cash flow, and
-Seven times the cash sitting in the balance sheet
Over the long haul which company has a more defensible position? AMD is certainly sprinting now but can they sustain the R&D and marketing expenditure race against Intel?
One of the rough metrics I use for a productivity measure is to compare earnings per employee (since labor is often the most substantial cost involved with producing a product or service). Inefficient production, delivery, and "back-office" systems require too many people and produce worse results.
Intel $168,500 EBITDA/employee (ttm)
AMD $149,087 EBITDA/employee (ttm)
(a quick aside: Google gets $461,267 EBITDA/employee while DaimlerChrysler gets $50,500. Industry dynamics make comparisons across sectors sketchy though.)
So even here, AMD has a system drag of about $20,000 per employee. Were they to improve system productivity just to match Intel they would free up nearly $200 million for the next skirmish (a 13% earnings improvement). The stock price might just improve.
La fraza asta mai era de adaugat: BEAM ME UP SCOTTY!I believe that the AMD bull is dying to be ridden hard. This goes out to Jim Cramer: Ride that bull man! Ride that *!$%ing bull all the way to the bank! BOO YAH! AMD’s first quarter will be a blockbuster knocked out of the park quarter.
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2. Nikon D300, Nikon Nikkor 50mm f 1.4, AF-S DX VR Zoom-Nikkor 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED , Tokina ATXProDX 12-24mm F/4.
3. Sony DSC -H5