ATi 3850/3870 55nm si 8800GT

[burebista]

Pentru astia d'alde mine care isi pun racire fanless pe 8800GT, am dat de un post foarte interesant pe XS in care omu' a masurat temperaturile si pe fata si pe verso. Oarecum surprinzator (pentru mine cel putin) cea mai fierbinte zona e vMEM de pe spatele placii.

[Răzvan]

Pai din cate am vazut burebista la modelul Sparkle Fanless partea masiva a radiatorului era amplasata pe spate,peste chip era o parte subtire de unde porneau pipeline-urile,poate din cauza asta au amplasat asa

[darkzone]

Partea masivă, radiantă, a fost plasată pe spate dintr-un motiv simplu: aerul cald se ridică, nu coboară. La varianta clasică, în poziţia de lucru a plăcii, cu radiatorul în jos, toată căldura vine peste placă. La varianta Sparkle, căldura este mutată prin heatpipes spre radiatorul de pe spate, unde are loc să se disipe fără a mai încălzi şi placa.
Oricum, din câte văd, are şi asta destule probleme de încălzire excesivă cu cooler-ul stock. Concluzia: schimbaţi sistemul de răcire cu ceva mai performant chiar dacă asta presupune o cheltuială în plus. Nu faceţi altceva decât să vă protejaţi investiţia.

[Răzvan]

Deci afirmatia mea e egala cu 0.Mersi de explicatie darkzone pentru ca maine imi vine un gainward 8800GT si trebuie sa o bag pe masa de operatie

[chiril]

iata apar si producatori cu OC din fabrica
Gecube HD3850 OC edition
cu frecvente 725/1800 si cu o racire mai buna
temperaturile maxime in full load fiind de la 53 la 67 grade C

LE. acolo nu prea am citit, thx

[IL Dotore]

Chiril old news.

[SpawnOfEvil]

ma gandesc totusi ca nu ajunge la 3 cu acel cooler stock

iti garantez ca iti duce 3 ghz lejer chiar si voltaj stock, mai ales pe dfi blood iron

eu imi tin e2160 la 3ghz voltaj stock pe un gigi g33m-s2 si nu urca mai sus de 58 de grade(coretemp 85 tjunction..e bun tjunction asta sau ar tb sa fie 100?) dupa 4+ ore de orthos cu coolerul stock + as5, care e si putin mai prapadit decat coolerul de la e4500 (stiu ca nu se observa dar am avut ocazia sa le tin pe amandoua in mana si e mai prapadit putin cel de la e2160 )

felicitari pt achizitie, nasol de accident dar macar ai ramas intreg

scuze de

[mascotzel]

NVIDIA G92 Overclocked - GT vs. GTS 512 (@Tweaktown)

[eMalware]

PowerColor Radeon HD 3850 Xtreme 512MB Full Review @ I4U News

[PasatoiuTD]

Eu, unul, nu prea vad rostul placilor de ~200$ (in SUA) cu doar 256MB. 3850-ul ala cu 512MB, daca va avea un pret bun, va fi probabil best buy.

[burebista]

Oarecum ontopic cu achizitionarea unui 8800GT, mai ales pentru cei cu MB-uri mai vechiute (ca d'alde mine ).
Am dat azi de un review la un 8800GT in care oamenii mentioneaza un lucru de care habar n-aveam:

We recommend you to make sure your mainboard supports PCI Express 1.1 before purchasing a GeForce 8800 GT.

De ce? Pai cica de asta

Despite the declared compatibility with mainboards that do not support PCI Express 2.0, the new card does have some issues in this respect. Particularly, the Leadtek card proved incompatible with our Intel Desktop Board D925XCV (Intel 925X) and EPoX EP-9NPA+ SLI (Nvidia nForce4 SLI) that are based on chipsets that support version 1.0a of the PCI Express standard.

Deci preventiv aruncati un ochi si pe site-ul oficial PCI-SIG ca sa vedeti ce revizie PCI-E are MB-ul vostru.
Din fericire pentru mine KN9-ul meu desi e listat ca PCI-E 1.0a merge perfect cu Gigabyte 8800GT, ceeea ce va doresc si voua.

[IL Dotore]

Daca la tine pe KN9 merge cred ca va merge si pe KN9-S.

[chiril]

http://www.shopit.ro/componente-pc/plac ... 88t512h-b/
super mega oferta o fi doar la shop it acum ? Gigabyte 8800GT la 732 RON, dar desigur nu mai e in stoc
sau
http://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-video/giga ... 3-256-bit/
la fel doar ca e si mai ieftina 728 lei,

toate celelalte exemplare sunt la preturi de peste 860 ron

[AndreiD]

Specificatii tehnice Gigabyte GeForce 8800GT 512MB DDR3 256-bit:
General
Chipset nVidia
Procesor grafic G92
Rezolutie maxima 2560x1600 pixeli
Interfata grafica PCI Express 2.0
TV-Out Da
Latime banda 256-bit
Memorie 512 MB DDR3
Conector DVI Dual DVI-I
Ramdac 400
Tehnologii NVIDIA SLI Technology
NVIDIA CineFX 4.0 Engine
NVIDIA Intellisample 4.0 Technology
NVIDIA PureVideo Technology
NVIDIA UltraShadow II Technology
NVIDIA Digital Vibrance Control 3.0 Technology
NVIDIA nView Multi-Display Technology
ASUS Splendid
ASUS
Altele Full Microsoft DirectX 10
Shader Model 4.0 Support
112 Stream Processors

[IL Dotore]

http://www.shopit.ro/componente-pc/plac ... 88t512h-b/
super mega oferta o fi doar la shop it acum ? Gigabyte 8800GT la 732 RON, dar desigur nu mai e in stoc
sau
http://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-video/giga ... 3-256-bit/
la fel doar ca e si mai ieftina 728 lei,

toate celelalte exemplare sunt la preturi de peste 860 ron

Mda, foarte interesant. S-au decis si cei de la Shop +garajistii sa ne arate ca placile ar trebui sa fie la preturi mai decente dar de fapt nu sunt.

[AndreiD]

Daca nu avea emag pretul atat de mic la Gigabyte, mai mult ca sigur ca ar fi costat si placa asta in jur de 850 RON pe la toate magazinele, dar ce sa faci, ete daca e competitie.

Oricum nu mi-as face sperante, nu o sa fie in stoc placa aia la pretul asta.

[mascotzel]

[Comparison] 8800GT’s new stock cooler is cool n’ quiet (Expreview)

Inno3D unveils 8800GT iChill version (Expreview)
- arata bine...pacat ca nu are si PCB negru

[burebista]

Noul GTS este la importator si de la ei pleaca la reselleri cu pretul de 970 lei cu TVA inclus.
Restul pina la cit o sa dati pe el in magazine e adaosul comerciantului.
In niste teste preliminare, ca sa-l citez pe omulet comparind-ul cu un Ultra:

overall e cam 10% sub, totusi, pentru ca toate jocurile le testam in 1680x1050 cu totul la max, 4x aa si toate alea

[omul_maimutza]

Sub 1150ron nu o să vedem anul ăsta 8800GTS 128pipes.

[Pretender]

poate intereseaza pe cineva un gainward disponibil.....
http://www.eprice.it/default.aspx?sku=1401324

[IL Dotore]

La pretul ala nu intereseaza pe nimeni . (apropo daca vrei 8800GT stiu eu un magazinel din BT care va primi pe stoc la 760RON - partea nasoala e ca acorda doar12 luni garantie indiferent de cat da producatorul).

[Pretender]

era doar un exemplu..
Daca raman cumva (doamne fereste) descoperit cu placa video, + mi s-ar mai mari cumva bugetul, cu siguranta ca as apela la tine..
Partea buna la partea proasta de care spuneai este ca legea ii obliga sa ofere o garantie de minim 2 ani "daca partile nu convin altfel"...
L.e. ai putea sa precizezi cand intra pe stock..? just in case..

[IL Dotore]

Sincer e genul de firma pe care ii doare in cot de ce spun legile si raspunsul pe care il vei primi e urmatorul: "Daca nu iti convine esti liber sa cumperi din alta parte". Eu unul nu voi lua cu sigranta de la ei (din motive personale).
Am sa te anunt cand vor intra in stoc.

[Yeti]

http://www.shopit.ro/componente-pc/plac ... 88t512h-b/
super mega oferta o fi doar la shop it acum ? Gigabyte 8800GT la 732 RON, dar desigur nu mai e in stoc
sau
http://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-video/giga ... 3-256-bit/
la fel doar ca e si mai ieftina 728 lei,

toate celelalte exemplare sunt la preturi de peste 860 ron

Cel mai mult imi place ca nu e in stoc si in acest an nici prea nu o sa fie, deci informatie buna, dar nefolositoare...

[Pretender]

Sincer e genul de firma pe care ii doare in cot de ce spun legile si raspunsul pe care il vei primi e urmatorul: "Daca nu iti convine esti liber sa cumperi din alta parte". Eu unul nu voi lua cu sigranta de la ei (din motive personale).
Am sa te anunt cand vor intra in stoc.

Multumesc

[M-Tz]

Deci preventiv aruncati un ochi si pe site-ul oficial PCI-SIG ca sa vedeti ce revizie PCI-E are MB-ul vostru.
Din fericire pentru mine KN9-ul meu desi e listat ca PCI-E 1.0a merge perfect cu Gigabyte 8800GT, ceeea ce va doresc si voua.

Asta suna ingrijorator, sau cel putin pt unul ca mine care nu stie sa afle ce revizie de PCIe are placa lui de baza. Am cautat in manual, pe net, siSandra etc dar tot nu m-am lamurit.

Am o placa de baza ASUS P5LD2 ( chipset Intel 945P ).

La http://www.pcisig.com/developers/compli ... otherboard din cate am vazut toate placile de baza cu chipset Intel au PCIe 1.0a. Doar asta nu inseamna ca 8800-le nu merge pe placile cu chipset intel, nu?

Lamuriti-ma si pe mine cum sta treaba. Mai ales ca am facut si eu comanda la un palit 8800gt si cum durata de asteptatre porneste de la o zi si tinde la plus infinit ar fi cea mai penala faza ca placa video sa nu fie compatibila cu placa de baza.

[burebista]

Uite un Palit care merge cu un MB mai vechiut. Se pare ca trebuie sa fii ghinionist tare ca sa nu-ti mearga.

[mascotzel]

GeCube Radeon HD 3850 X-Turbo III 512 MB (@Techpowerup)

- e interesant fiindca prezinta nalaturi in teste si X1900XTX/7900GTX,in plus fiind o varianta custom cooled+OC+512MB DDR3

[AndreiD]

Ce vad eu in testul ala, e ca 8800GT-ul este cu 20-40% mai rapida ca HD3870 in toate teste....

Iar diferenta intre HD3850 si HD3870 in rezolutii fara AA si AF este de maxim 10%

[xandi8207]

Deci preventiv aruncati un ochi si pe site-ul oficial PCI-SIG ca sa vedeti ce revizie PCI-E are MB-ul vostru.
Din fericire pentru mine KN9-ul meu desi e listat ca PCI-E 1.0a merge perfect cu Gigabyte 8800GT, ceeea ce va doresc si voua.

adica, dupa tabelul ala, vrei sa spui ca placa mea de baza ar avea sanse sa nu fie compatibila cu 8800GT !?

ASUS M2N32-WS Pro
North Bridge: nVIDIA SPP190 (C51XE)
South Bridge: nVIDIA nForce 590 SLI (MCP55PXE)

[darkzone]

Cred că e o gogoriţă aruncată iar de departamentul de marketing nVidia. Singura diferenţă majoră între PCIe 1.x şi 2.0 e lăţimea de bandă oferită. Cum nici una din plăcile actuale nu acoperă lăţimea de bandă PCIe 1.x, nu văd de unde isteria asta. La mine pe M2N-SLI Deluxe situaţia stă ca în pozele de mai jos: Catalystu' zice că ar fi PCIe 2.0, Everest că e PCIe 1.0. Mă lasă rece atâta timp cât placa funcţionează în parametrii proiectaţi.
Iar 8800GT a funcţionat fără probleme pe toate plăcile pe care am pus-o până acum (ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI, abit) , atât pe Intel cât şi pe AMD.

[VDtot]

Am luat ieri un Sapphire HD 3870 la minunatul pret de 800 RON. Ramane zilele astea sa iau restul calc si revin cu ceva impresii. M-a impresionat fizic greutatea si marimea placii... e pur si simplu uriasa pe langa vechiul meu 6600 GT

[chiril]

@darkzone eu zic caci totul este absolut corect in pozele astea 2. everest iti da info despre chipset care are pci-e 1.x
iar catalist iti zici de placa video care are pci-e 2.x

[darkzone]

Tu vezi ce scrie acolo, mai jos de Bus Type? Current Bus Setting - PCI Express 2.0. Adică placa video lucrează pe 2.0 în timp ce slotul e doar 1.x. Cum asta?

[brainSStorm]

Am vazut ca lumea este impresionata de dimensiunile noilor placi PCI Express 2.0 de la ati/nvidia. As vrea si eu sa stiu daca am vreo seansa sa bag un ati 3850 intr-o carcasa Antec NSK4480 pe o placa Gigabyte GA-MA69G-S3H?

[darkzone]

Da, intră fără probleme.

[IL Dotore]

Depinde cate HDD-uri ai si unde le pui. Daca ai unul singur il poti pune fara nici o problema astfel incat sa nu te incomodeze cu nimic placa video chiar si la un GTX.

[mascotzel]

8800GT 256 @Legit Reviews

foarte ciudate rezultatele...uneori are caderi de performanta enorme,alteori e sus
avand in vedere ca singura diferenta fata de 8800GT -ul original e memoria mai putina

de aceea,parerea mea(si ramane a mea pana apar mai multe review-uri) e ca testul de dedesubt e mai relevant

XFX GeForce 8800 GT 256MB XXX Review (@Firingsquad)

Ballistics Report

Pros

G92 GPU: With 112 stream processors and blazing clock speeds that are equal to, if not better than the GeForce 8800 GTX in most cases, the G92 GPU inside the GeForce 8800 GT is a screamer when it comes to performance: despite its narrower memory interface the 8800 GT is faster than last year’s GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB, all while consuming less power. This is all due to the GPU’s 65-nm manufacturing process. The GeForce 8800 GT is also able to get by with just a single slot cooler that generates very little noise.

When it was initially available, the card was also priced to move at $250-$300.

Because of its outstanding price/performance ratio, the GeForce 8800 GT is sold out everywhere. If that’s not a testament to just how good a GPU this is, nothing else is.

Faster Clock Speeds: XFX clocks their XXX Edition board at speeds higher than NVIDIA’s reference specifications for the GeForce 8800 GT 256MB call for, opting to run their board at 650MHz core (50MHz higher than stock) and 1625MHz on the stream processors, that’s 125MHz higher than stock. Finally, the card’s memory operates at 800MHz (1.6GHz effective), which is 100MHz higher than your typical GeForce 8800 GT 256MB card. In our testing these higher speeds netted the board an additional 8% in performance in Crysis at 1600x1200 with 0xAA/0xAF.

Double Lifetime Warranty: XFX’s double lifetime warranty program provides lifetime warranty coverage to the original purchaser of the XXX graphics card, as well as the card’s second owner, providing comprehensive warranty coverage to both users. In order to activate the double lifetime warranty, both users must register their card with XFX.

Enthusiasts will also be glad to know that XFX’s warranty isn’t voided if you make modifications to your card, say for instance if you swap out the stock cooler for a more powerful unit, or step up to liquid cooling. As long as you don’t physically damage the card in the process of the upgrade (say for instance, you break off a capacitor), you won’t void the XFX warranty.

Finally, in case you run into problems with your card, XFX provides 24/7 toll-free phone support for North American users.

In stock: Both the XFX XXX Edition and the stock Alpha Dog Edition popped up on Newegg late Wednesday at the XFX MSRP of $209.99 for the Alpha Dog and $229.99 for the XXX with a $10 mail-in rebate knocking it down to $219.99. If you’re interested in picking up either one of these cards we suggest you do it now before they sell out.

Cons

Price: With an official MSRP of $229.99, the XFX GeForce 8800 GT XXX is priced dangerously close to the supposed starting price of the GeForce 8800 GT 512MB. For another $20-$30 you could potentially upgrade to a GeForce 8800 GT 512MB board that has the additional frame buffer memory you need to play newer games like Crysis and BioShock with higher levels of AA without seeing frame rates in the single digits.

4xAA Performance in newer games: Again, as you saw in our benchmarks, many of today’s latest games run terribly with 256MB cards like the GeForce 8800 GT and Radeon HD 3850. These cards just don’t have enough onboard memory to run these newer games with high graphics settings and 4xAA, so you’ve either got to turn down the graphics settings in these games or turn off AA to get adequate performance. This is something to keep in mind if AA is an important feature to you.

Gainward 8800 GT GLH is the fastest GT (@Fudzilla)

Conclusion

We’ve been searching high and low for an 8800 GT card with a better cooler, and we’ve found it in the guise of Gainward's 8800 GT PCX Golden Sample (Goes Like Hell). This is a great card, and the fastest 8800 GT you can buy. The core runs at 700MHz and the Shaders at 1750MHz. The memory soared really high, 1025MHz (effective 2050MHz), and it’s the fastest memory among 8800 GT family.

The cooler is dual-slot and the fan is quiet. We’ve seen that the results are excellent, and that it easily outperforms reference cards. With 8800 GT and VP2 engine, you can watch multimedia content in HD quality, without burdening the central processor. Two dual-link DVI’s with HDCP are natively supported, and HDTV picture quality is excellent. Still, Gainward ships a working DVI-to-HDMI dongle, just in case.

The card is listed a bit over €250,-, but availability is a big problem, because the demand for 8800GT’s is not subsiding. If you manage to get your hands on Gainward 8800 GHL card, then we’d seriously recommend you buy one – because it’s overclocked to some great speeds, and the fan has no problems cooling these fast cards.

ASUS Extreme N8800GTS (512MB) (@legionhardware)

Measuring the performance of the GeForce 8800 GTS 512 has been difficult, as we found it to be slower than the GTX in some tests while faster in others. Furthermore, while the 8800 GTS 512 did remain constantly ahead of the 8800 GT, the winning margin constantly changed depending on the game. For example, the 8800 GTS 512 was 7% faster in Quake Wars and 13% faster in S.T.A.L.K.E.R, while there was a 38% performance advantage seen in F.E.A.R! So determining where the 8800 GTS 512 sits in terms of performance in the GeForce 8800 family is not easy.

While the GeForce 8800 GTS 512 was consistently faster than the 8800 GT in all games tested, for the most part we found it to only offer a small boost in performance. Given the difference in specifications we expected to see a lot more out of the 8800 GTS 512 when compared to the 8800 GT. It would appear that being limited to almost the same amount of memory bandwidth due to the use of a 256-bit memory bus, has restricted the performance of this new GeForce 8800 GTS graphics card.

Given that the 8800 GTS 512 MSRP is roughly $50-$100 US more than the 8800 GT, you have to wonder if it’s worth it? Of course the 8800 GT is yet to sell at the suggested $250 US price point, with most pushing much closer to $300 US, so will the 8800 GTS 512 do the same? If so, we should expect to see the 8800 GTS 512 retail for around $370 US, which places it even closer to the GeForce 8800 GTX in terms of price. Though having said that, the cheaper GeForce 8800 GTX cards still sell for about $100 US more and given the difference in performance between these two products, the 8800 GTS 512 is certainly the better value option, even at $370 US.

ASUS G92 EN8800GTS and EN8800GTS TOP (@tweaktown)

Final Thoughts

The performance increase is certainly there over the standard 8800GT, and if you’re not willing to overclock or just plain don’t want to you can see why you would go for this card; especially if you’re the owner of a 24” LCD that is outputting 1920 x 1200. However, as we witnessed recently, if you’re willing to do a bit of overclocking the 8800GT represents some excellent value for money.

The real question is what will the price be like and how is stock going to go? Well, we still won’t know for probably another week but hopefully it isn’t too bad and fingers crossed there’s plenty of stock.

The 8800GTS G92 based card is a good graphics card, but not great. NVIDIA really seemed to have dug themselves a hole by putting the 8800GT out; it represents excellent performance and a nice price tag to boot, when companies aren’t taking advantage of the limited stock that is.

poze gasiti citind review-urile...upload-ul e mai problematic acilea

[mascotzel]

Powercolor HD 3850 Xtreme 512 MB (@techpowerup)

Value:
PowerColor's HD 3850 Xtreme comes at a great price with $199. For $20 over the reference design price you get an extra 256 MB of GDDR3, higher clocks and a better cooler.
Pluses:
Very good performance
Low power draw
Native HDMI output
Affordable
Factory overclocked
512 MB GDDR3
256 bit memory interface
DirectX 10.1 Support
PCI-E 2.0 support
HDMI+HDCP+Audio+UVD
CrossFire and CrossFireX capable
Minuses:
Two slot cooling
Hot air remains inside the case
Still no highest-end card from AMD
More overclocking would be nice
Conclusion&Verdict
9.3
PowerColor's HD 3850 Xtreme is a good step forward in the right direction. The new card cost less, uses less power but still has performance which is often close to the HD 2900 XT. Doubling the memory size to 512 MB of GDDR3 was a wise decision to improve performance. The higher your resolution is, the more benefit you will see from the added video memory. However, if you plan on running only up to 1280x1024 there is not much to be gained from the extra memory unless you plan on cranking up the AA beyond 4x.
PowerColor's HD 3850 Xtreme is special compared to the other cards out there because it has a dedicated HDMI port on the board which makes this card a great choice for HTPC systems, if you have the space for the dual-slot cooling design. A minor issue is that the cooler does not exhaust the hot air outside of the case, but since the total power draw is very low this is not too much of a concern.

[VDtot]

O sa postez acum primele impresii urmand ca testele mai amanuntite sa vina maine. Am pus HD 3870 intr-un sistem cu Gigabyte DS3R, Core 2 Duo e6750 2gb geil normale, sursa Fortron BS II 500 W.
In 3D Mark 2006 totul default 1280x1024 cu aplicatii instalate si cu antivirus etc, pentru ca mie mi se pare relevant sa testez in conditiile in care o sa ma si joc nu cu tweak-uri de windows samd. scor: 10402. Un scor foarte bun, si ce m-a impresionat foarte mult nu scade niciodata sub 25 fps in nici un test ( cu exceptia celor CPU )
Sistemul este dead silent si ma ingrijoreaza cumva, dupa un test 3d mark temperatura GPU ajungand lejer la 83 C fara ca ventilatorul sa schiteze vreo tenta de accelerare.
Stiti cumva vreo aplicatie de unde sa pot seta manual turatiile ventilatoarelor placii video, pentru ca prefer sa fie un pic mai zgomotoasa dar sa stea la 70 C decat dead silent cu 83
Prima impresie: o placa excelenta, e pentru prima oara cand vad si eu ruland perfect fluent 3dmark2006 si asta in 1280.